the number of people who said they would support 
independence more than halved, 
dropping from 47% to 21%, if the economy would get worse

 Unionists bring Out the 

FEAR FACTOR


 "The only thing we have is fear is fear it'self -
nameless, unreasoning, unjustified, terror which paralyzes
needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

Kleos

 

 Many snp suppoters seem to think the only
the only way forward for Scottish Labour 
is to accept and embrace  Independence.
As standing in the way of Scotlands date with destiny
will leave the Labour party as Political outcasts (Traitors)
in an Independent Scotland
and see them thrown into political oblivion.

Putting aside the reality of the electoral support for 
the snp and thier god gven abailty to decide for the
Scottish people who they will vote for .


What they are suggesting is for the sake of personal electoral
victory the Labour party should abandon any  priciples,
beliefs and morality and vote for Independence .

I disagree the Labour party should stand its ground and fight,
fight and fight again to keep the Union together.
and if the Scottish people decide to reject the Labour party
then let them.
The people must decide and must choose what the future will
be  I will be a Labour Union man until the end in victory or defeat.

  for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions

be brought under snp rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours 

that we are fighting, but for freedom 

- for that alone, which no honest Labour man gives up but with life itself

 

 Nikostratos  already knows the consequences of his decision to reject the option of a snp homecoming. He is in the process of deciding to choose the other option: he will stay Labour and continue to fight in the Labour War. This choice will result in his death, and he knows it, but he is ready to give up his life in exchange for getting a kleos that will never "wilt." Unlike natural flowers that go through the cycle of blooming and then wilting, this unnatural flower, this kleos, will forever stay the same, never losing its color, aroma, and overall beauty.

 all i ask from  the Nationalist hordes bestial in nature though they are

is a beautiful death.

 Perhaps I am missing something

 as posted on Laborhame

The Referendum

Perhaps I am missing something but has not Salmond said given more vote yes than no to Independence then the fact Devo Max gained more votes Than the yes vote Would be irrelevant.
As full independence gives all you want under Devo max and more, so from Salmonds perspectives the Yes to Independence wins and its game over for the Union.

A reply

Dubbieside says:

December 2, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Richard
A very good article, succinct and to the point. I would also congratulate Labour Hame for allowing open debate.
Nikos point is easily answered however.
If a second question is put on the ballot paper that question immediately becomes moot if the first question, do you want independence yes or no, the yes wins. There is no need for devo max or whatever if independence is won.
For simplification the second question could be along the lines of,
If independence is not achieved do you wish Scotland to have devo max yes or no.
Looks fairly straightforward to me but then Im not Niko

But seeing as Devo max gained the most votes how so Independence wins?
not on my Maths


No 29%
yes 32%
Devo Max  38%

but then Im not Niko

Nah Dubs your not me

There's only ooone Niko
One Niko
Walking a long,
Singing a song,
Walking in a Niko  wonderland!